Quietway 2 (Cycleway 27) in Westminster
This is an east-west cycle route between Bayswater and Fitzrovia.
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Created by Colin Wing // 7 threads
This is an east-west cycle route between Bayswater and Fitzrovia.
Created by Colin Wing // 4 threads
This is the route of Quietway 19 in Westminster. Only this section is scheduled for completion by 2016. The remaining section through Mayfair is scheduled for a later phase.
Nominal deadline set to clear this from the Consultation Map.
Created by Colin Wing // 4 threads
This is the route of the Circle Line South Quietway in Westminster. Only this section is scheduled for completion by 2016.
Created by Colin Wing // 2 threads
This is one of the options for Cycle Superhighway 5 in Westminster.
Created by Colin Wing // 2 threads
This is the proposed route of Quietway 16 in Westminster
Nominal deadline set to clear this from the Consultation Map.
Created by Colin Wing // 4 threads
This is the proposed route of the Grand Union Quietway. It actually follows the Regent's Canal.
Created by Colin Wing // 4 threads
This is the proposed route of Quietway 68 in Westminster.
Created by Hester Wells // 1 thread
There are proposals to build a permanent ice rink on land owned by Marshalls within the Park and Ride site. Various community groups are currently being consulted at an early stage about the plans.
Cycling issues include cycle parking, construction and delivery lorry danger, and connectivity for cycling.
The site in on NCN 51.
Created by Angela Hobsbaum // 1 thread
Camden Council are consulting on proposals to improve road safety around the newly-rebuilt Netley Primary Schools, Stanhope Street NW1 3EX.
Full details can be found here:
https://consultations.wearecamden.org/culture-environment/public-realm-improvements-netley-primary-school-de/consult_view
Deadline Friday 12 December.
I will collate comments and write a response from Camden Cyclists on Wed. 10th December.
Created by David Butler // 3 threads
Manchester City Council's proposed Prstwich Cycleway, a route from Heaton Park to Hulme Hall Lane, with the southern section following NCN Route 60.
Created by David Butler // 1 thread
Manchester City proposed route from Altrincham Road to the airport, funded by CCAG. Most of this route exists already; the proposals upgrade sections and creates new links to form continuous route.
Created by Colin Rosenstiel // 1 thread
A planning application (14/1818/FUL) proposes to replace the road blockers with gates. The design has such a large gate it has to open to the left of the opening as seen from Manor St (see http://goo.gl/maps/j7Lfm), requiring 3 of the 5 cycle parking hoops (obscured by the trees and not in use in the photo) to be moved to the right of the entrance. They serve shops on King St and visitors to the Malcolm Place flats so moving them would take them significantly further from the needs they serve.
I am drafting an email to the planning department to include criticism of the gate design from my point of view as a local resident. I am also soliciting Campaign support on the cycle parking issue. I'll post a draft shortly.
Created by Phil Lee // 0 threads
What to do about disgraceful decisions like this:
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Driver-ran-Cambridge-cyclist-mistakenly-thinking/story-24555273-detail/story.html ?
Clearly, the magistrate erred seriously in matters of both fact and law - all the prosecution had to prove was that the way he drives falls below what would be expected of a competent and careful driver.
Equally clearly, it did - nobody who could possibly be described as "competent and careful" would run over something the size of a cyclist without even being aware of it. He even admitted that he was talking on the phone at the time.
It staggers the mind to think what on earth the magistrates were thinking - or what with. Maybe they slept through the case, so didn't hear the prosecution, but were woken up for the defence (how there can be any defence for that is beyond me). Maybe they are dangerous drivers themselves, so sympathise with others of the same ilk instead of adequately discharging the responsibilities they are charged with? Mark Tyler also deserves complete contempt for not pleading guilty, and so preventing this gross miscarriage of justice. He should have been thanking his lucky stars that the police and CPS are so incompetent as not to pursue Dangerous driving, which it equally clearly was.
How can we get rid of incompetent idiots like Phil King (the lead magistrate in this case) who asserted that "there were “significant gaps” in the evidence". It is obvious to me that this dangerous idiot is perverting the course of justice by remaining in his position.
Presumably his colleagues on the bench conspired with him in this perversion - they could (and should) have over-ruled him unless they were parties to the conspiracy, surely?
The evidence was all there - there was a cyclist in front of him - whether the cyclist was upright or on the ground is irrelevant. Mark Tyler drove over him. Neither of those facts were in dispute. That is not the action of a competent and careful driver, and it should be beyond question that a person being in front of the vehicle is something which the driver should be expected to be aware of, which means the test in s3ZA of the Road Traffic Act is satisfied, and the accused is guilty.
The evidence also meets the test in s2A (Meaning of dangerous driving) so there is no excuse whatsoever for clearing him of even the lesser offence of careless driving. With driving like that, it is clear, beyond reasonable doubt, that he should not be in possession of a driving license, and the magistrates failed in their duty to relieve him of it.
As long as dangerous criminals like Phil King are allowed on the bench, the roads will never be safe for anyone.
As a footnote, from the report is appears that this dangerous character commutes from Whitchurch, Hampshire to Clifton Way, Cambridge. What length does that make his effective working day?
It's about 120 miles each way, so at least 4 hours driving (considerably more if in the "rush hour") on top of a full workday. It's utterly moronic to make a commute like that - when I worked anywhere near that far away, I commuted weekly. But this happened on a Wednesday.
Tom McKeown // 1 thread
Drivers ignoring the marked priority at Magdalene pinch point is a regular occurrence when faced with city bound riders. At times this can be very dangerous. Especially when large numbers of riders are forced into a very small gap between the vehicle and the bollards. I should imagine the situation is especially unpleasant travelling with small children. Also difficult to resolve with a wider cargo cycle, trailer or trike.
Created by Al Storer // 1 thread
Motor vehicles frequently fail to give priority to cyclists leading to conflict
Created by Philip Shore // 2 threads
With very limited maintenance on cyclepaths, should the local community:
- volunteer time and effort to increase maintainance eg cutting back hedgerows?
- if desired, how could volunteer effort be arranged?
Created by Jean Dollimore // 1 thread
This issue is about our priorities for two way cycling in a pair of one way streets, the first north and the second south of the canal at Camden Lock:
- Hawley Road runs one way eastbound between Chalk farm Road and Kentish Town road.
- Hawley Crescent runs one way westbound from Kentish Town Road to Camden High Street
Both of these roads are on our list of permeability issues but we are being asked to say which we would like to see tackled first.
Created by Richard Jennings // 2 threads
There are a variety of issues with construction lorries in this busy location, closure of the footway outside the hotel, narrowing of the route from Regents Street to Parker's Piece and traffic signal changes. The construction is expected to take two years.
Martin Lucas-Smith // 10 threads
Milton Road, like other main roads in the city, is a mix of typically bad bits of cycle infrastructure. There is considerable scope, possibly within the City Deal funding, to rework the whole streetscape to Dutch standards.
Created by Oscar Hughes // 2 threads
Large numbers of cyclists and pedestrians access Cambridge station from Devonshire Road and from the pedestrian and cycle bridge through the car park. This is unsafe, unpleasant and dangerous. How could we develop alternatives? A better route along Station Road and Tenison Road? Direct access to the station from the east doesn't really seem feasible.
Created by Oscar Hughes // 1 thread
This unpleasant underpass is heavily criticised in the 2016 vision.
http://www.camcycle.org.uk/vision2016/junctions.html#elizabethway
Created by Andrea // 1 thread
Remove left-turn priority filter: if you want to cycle to the station from Stoke Park Drive, you currently get a lot of stress from drivers honking at you from behind
Created by Andrea // 1 thread
more cycle parking spaces for all times of the day needed
Cargo bike parking needed
Current two-tier parking for cycles are not female-friendly as upper tier too heavy to lift
Created by Jean Dollimore // 1 thread
Leather Lane has a well established market that trades on the street throughout the week
To stop vehicles using Leather Lane when the market is on, Camden proposes to close access to Leather Lane and other roads leading directly to Leather Lane with some consequent changes in parking provision.
Camden Council's proposals can be seen at:
They include the following:
Option A
- close Leather Lane
- close Hatton Wall, between Leather Lane and Hatton Garden
- close St Cross Street, between Leather Lane and Hatton Garden
- close Portpool Lane and Baldwin’s Gardens where they meet Leather Lane
Option B
- same as Option A but keeps St Cross Street open
Comments:
The proposal consistently refers to stopping "vehicles" using Leather Lane. It should refer to "motor vehicles" so that cycles still have access.
Reply due 5 December 2014.
Please add your comments by 1st December
Created by Andrea // 0 threads
a hotspot for delivery vans and cars parking on cycle lanes. We need enforcement to curb this
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Created by Heather Coleman // 1 thread
I've noticed a few of these around Cambridge where there's a "no through road" sign but it's a through road for cyclists and pedestrians. As there's a post already, if the council had a ready-made stock of plates saying "except cycles", "except pedestrians", a single operative could affix the plate below the sign to made it correct. It is highly deceptive and not serving those using non-motorised transport if they go the long way round not realising they can get through a quicker route.
Created by Gregory Williams // 0 threads
Much of the route of the former Elham Valley Railway has not been constructed on. This would make an ideal long-distance cycle path.
Created by Donald Noble // 0 threads
It would be useful to have signage at this location to show the route onto the cycle path. Coming north along Lochend Road from the A8/Airport it is not clear that you need to head into the treatment works access road to see the path leading onto the main cycle path.
Created by M Stanley // 1 thread
Leeds City Council are proposing major changes to the gyratory. The stated aim is to increase motor vehicle capacity at the junction which will in turn allow the removal of general motor traffic from areas of the city centre such as city square.
Created by Jon G // 1 thread
The road outside the Barmy Arms pub, Twickenham Embankment, used to be closed to motor traffic by a single line of posts with cycle logos painted on the road between two of these, clearly showing there is a cycle route there.
Recently this has been replaced with two lines of posts about 3m apart and there are no cycle route markers. This is leading pedestrians to reasonably assume that the area between the posts is for pedestrians only and to stand there in groups with drinks from the pub, creating conflicts with cyclists trying to ride through the area. The existence of the cycle route should once again be indicated by signs or painted cycle symbols.
Created by David Earl // 1 thread
It is intimidating to use this roundabout because of the high shrubbery in the middle. It is supposed to slow traffic down but my subjective feeling is that it doesn't
Anon // 1 thread
Wandsworth Council in TMO 1644 propose removing the contra-flow segregated cycle track at the eastern end of Putney Embankment to allow a hoarding to be built around the Thames Tideway tunnel construction site. The track will be re-opened when the work is complete, but this could take at least a year. It is proposed that eastbound cyclists join the Upper Richmond road by the Dukes Head pub and then continue on this road. Wandsworth Cycling Campaign objected to this on the grounds that the Upper Richmond Road is extremely heavily trafficked and the proposed diversion involved cycling past a row pf parking bays . This would be very difficult and hazardous for the mix of cyclists using the Thames Path of which this forms part. We asked that the parking bays be temporarily removed and replaced by a 1.5 to 2 m cycle lane separated from the motor traffic by wands or similar. For west-bound cyclists using the narrow lane left on Putney Embankment past the work site, we asked for the installation of 'Do not overtake cyclists' signs.
Created by Caroline Page // 1 thread
Significant domestic car parking in the advisory cycle lane of westbound lane combines with heavy traffic jams to obstruct/block westbound passage to cyclists in rush hour. Generally there is a section of this route where pavement pushing is unavoidable
Created by Angela Dyer // 1 thread
Proper surface on the link from Butterfield Lane to Holyrood Crescent
Created by jpennycook // 1 thread
Just to the south of the junction with Sullivan Road, there is a low hanging branch at decapitation height. It is hard to see at night.
Created by TMiles // 0 threads
A short section of cycle path allows cyclists to skirt around the traffic lights when turning left from Westgate into Oxford Place.
However the section ends abruptly in front of on-street car parking and the cyclist is forced to give way to other traffic in order to join Oxford Place.
It should instead lead smoothly into a cycle lane that runs the whole length of this street.
Created by Gipsy Hill // 2 threads
Introduction:
Quietway7 links a cycle route from Elephant & Castle (E&C) with Crystal Palace, and was routed by TfL to be via Dulwich Village, West Norwood (Thurlow Park Road), Gipsy Hill and then Crystal Palace (via Farquhar Road).
The route from E&C southbound is in Southwark (to Dulwich) then is in Lambeth (Turney Road, Rosendale Road/Thurlow Park Road, Hamilton Road, to Gipsy Hill), then goes back into Southwark (from Gipsy Hill to Crystal Palace). Southwark had their part of the quietway consultation approved.
Lambeth delayed their decision to June 2017, and was then subsequently “called in” as there was widespread concerns from both the local community and cycling groups for parts of the route. Cycling groups unanimously objected to the proposed design along Gipsy Hill by: Southwark Cyclists, Lambeth Cyclists and Wheels for Wellbeing. 70% of respondents objected to the the design on Gipsy Hill. Gipsy Hill is a busy Local Distributor Road and bus route. Gipsy Hill has “insufficient road width” for a segregated track. The original proposed design meant motor vehicles “will encroach on the advisory cycle lane” to allow oncoming motor vehicles to pass.
Gipsy Hill Options:
There are alterative options to avoid Gipsy Hill. Southwark Cyclists have supported the design option to follow LCN23 downhill all the way along Dulwich Wood Avenue and then using the other side of Long Meadow (so not using Gipsy Hill), with a new track behind the bus stop.
See navy dashed line on sketch attached (mauve was the proposed Q7 design, red is LCN23)
This design is quieter and safer than using Gipsy Hill, and avoids the proposed dangerous junction Gipsy Hill/ Dulwich Wood Avenue, near the rail station. This integrated design also allows greatest cycle access to local amenities, schools, shops, and parks in Dulwich, West Dulwich and West Norwood. There is interest and outline support from Southwark to explore this option.
Next Steps:
Lambeth are now actively progressing engagement and revised designs for their part of the route, with a new consultation process due in September. There is potential for an improved option at Gipsy Hill, but this is likely to need new additional funding from TfL.
Suggested, to let local Gipsy Hill Ward Cllrs (Lambeth) and College Ward Cllrs (Southwark) and local cycling groups know your views.
Background:
Lambeth proposal that was called-in, see reports:
- Quietway 7 - Elephand Castle to Crystal Palace - Decision Report – 12 June 2017
- Appendix B - Quietway 7 - details designs (Gipsy Hill pages: 23, 46-49)
http://www.cpneighbours.org/gipsyhillquietway/
Thurlow Park Ward Cllr updates:
http://thurlowparklabour.org/post/162548844962/quietways-engagement-next-steps
TfL Quietway 7 Programme (Elephant & Castle to Crystal Palace) - Proposed changes in Lambeth - West Dulwich area
https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/cycling/lambeth-q7-wd/
LCN23 Map:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2707#map=17/51.42643/-0.08336
What are Quietway?
London Cycling Design Standards, Chapter 1 (page 15):
Quietways “..are aimed at new cyclists who want a safe, unthreatening experience.” The key principles for Quietways include:
o Routes should be on the quietest available roads consistent with directness;
o Routes should be as straight and direct as possible;
o where they have to join busier roads, or pass through busy, complicated junctions, segregation must be provided;
http://content.tfl.gov.uk/lcds-chapter1-designrequirements.pdf
Created by Anna Langley // 2 threads
This intersection needs a right turn light for bikes turning from St Andrew's Street into the Downing Street contraflow lane.
Doing so feels unsafe with buses coming up from behind, and little opportunity to get across the intersection.
I'm considering setting up a 38 Degrees petition on the matter, but wanted to see if this issue had been campaigned on before.
Hungate Bridge at the Navigation Road end is heavily bollarded on one end people on bikes and variants and people on foot are forced into a narrowed corridor by bollards. Yet, the width of he route is not restricted on either side.
It is unnatural and unnecessary. It brings people on bikes and variants into contact with each other and with people on foot or in wheelchairs, etc. It seems to be 'traffic-calming'. To my mind this undermines active travel messages and initiatives by making movement more complicated and fraught for all users.
Created by John Metcalf // 1 thread
"Hertfordshire County Council (HCC) has recently undertaken a feasibility report to investigate cycle links to the new Verulamium Park (Ver Park) Route link to NCN 6 from the King Harry Lane area. We have looked at ways to improve the cycling and walking environment; particularly where this would improve the continuity of cycle routes and the movement of people via active modes around your area. A section of shared use cycle route has been recently provided by the developer Linden Homes and the intention is to extend this facility to Abbey Avenue and northwards towards The Ramparts via an upgraded traffic signal crossing point into Verulamium Park.
The proposals include the following:
· Upgrade the existing traffic signal controlled crossing near Verulamium Park access to a Toucan Crossing,
· To provide improvements to the footway areas on both sides of the traffic signal controlled crossing to make it both suitable for pedestrians and cyclists, and linking into the new section of shared use footway/ cycleway that the developer has recently provided.
· To the south of the new roundabout, on the western side, the existing footway will be widened from 0.9-1.1m to 2.5m to continue the shared use route towards Abbey Avenue.
To upgrade the existing uncontrolled crossing at King Harry Lane jw Abbey Avenue by increasing the widths of the existing pedestrian refuge to widths that can accommodate both cyclists and pedestrians.
This option has been carefully evaluated and full consideration has been given to the likely effects that it may have on residents.
Please find attached a plan which shows details of the proposed scheme for Ver Park Highway Link (Cycleway/ Footway).
At this stage we are intending to implement the proposals during the next financial year, 2014/15.
As such we are now finalising the design and we are interested in hearing your views or any comments you may have regarding the proposals"
Initial comments by John Metcalf
Overall to be welcomed as better than what is there already. But, it could be improved?
1. Traffic entering Abbey Avenue is likely to be going too fast for a safe crossing for those walking or cycling. This is a rat-run to avoid the King Harry roundabouts. Therefore tighten the radii of the junction and make a raised crossing (on a hump). Do we want a Tiger (Zebra for walkers and cyclists) crossing?
2. The crossing of the new roundabout exit into King Harry Park is hazardous. It needs to be upgraded with a humped crossing (and a Tiger?). Is this sufficient or should there also be measures to slow down the traffic entering and leaving King Harry Park.
3. The best solution would be to upgrade the ROW footpath from the toucan crossing of King Harry Lane to Rowlatt Drive
Created by Jack Thurston // 1 thread
Cycle Route 46 from crosses the old stone bridge across the River Usk between Abergavenny and Llanfoist. There are good, safe and direct cycle paths on either side of the bridge, but the bridge itself is very hostile for cycling, and walking. It is on the A4143 and there is heavy often fast traffic most times of the day. The footway is very narrow and only on one side of the bridge. Although short, this is a difficult section to negotiate, especially for inexperienced or young cyclists.
Created by DB // 1 thread
I am cycling on the snakey trail every day, and there is a high risk that somebody falls into the Cherry Hinton Brook one day. The path and bridge is really too narrow and many people are taking it both ways.
Route proposal for the link from Prospect Road/Verulamium Park to the start of the Alban Way.
The route is a shared, wide, pavement with a width around 3 metres- in line with minimum width for a shared route.
Documents are available at http://www.stalbans.gov.uk/planning/Planningpolicy/greenring/hccsiteb.aspx
Please have a look at the thread on this as there are a few point which STACC will bring out, you may want to consider these in your response.
Please return any comments to Clare Martin via phone, email or post.
Please also contact Clare if you have any further queries about the proposed works.
Clare Martin
Project Engineer, Integrated Transport Planning
Highways
Postal Point CHO317
Hertfordshire County Council, Leahoe Annexe, Pegs Lane, Hertford, SG13 8DN
t: 01992 658478 Comnet / Internal: 58478
email: Clare.Martin@hertfordshire.gov.uk
Created by Shaun McDonald // 1 thread
Planning application: http://planningpages.midsuffolk.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=_MSUFF_DCAPR_92778
There are concerns about no or too little improvements for walking and cycling along Paper Mill Lane with the increase in traffic caused by the development.
Created by t1mmyb // 0 threads
This shortcut is technically pedestrians-only, but forms a useful link from the environs of Bath Spa station (Widcombe) to Holloway, a dead-end for motor vehicles and therefore a quiet, if steep, climb to Bear Flat, Wellsway and beyond.
Dropped kerbs, barrier/chicane removal etc. would make this route usable by parents with cycle trailers, people on cargobikes and the like.
It was slated as a piece of work to be done by Bath & NE Somerset, but there's been no news lately.
Created by Alex Jenkins // 1 thread
Following recent engagement on the Liveable Streets programme in the Bow area, we are planning to trial some changes to the road layout. These changes are based on suggestions made by local residents and stakeholders.
This trial will help us understand the effects these changes have on the road network and allow residents and businesses to experience the positive impact reduced traffic has on the local area.
During the trial we will be running several events and activities to take advantage of the reduced number of motor vehicles passing through the Bow area, and encourage local journeys to be made by sustainable modes such as walking and cycling. Keep an eye out for more information on these.
Please note that as a part of our preparation for the trial we have consulted with the emergency services, bus operators and Transport for London to ensure they can deliver their services using the changed road layout.
Created by Guy Hill // 1 thread
If it is not bad enough in a cycle city that the Great Northern Road, the new road to Cambridge's main train station and cycle parking, does not have a segregated and safe cycle paths, the new development is now being proposed which will prevent a segregated cycleway from access to the Station a Devonshire road.
Does anyone agree that there should be a segregated cycle access to the country's largest cycle park?
Created by cobweb // 0 threads
Permission given for 286 homes. Concern was raised in 2010 about the positioning of the 715 cycle parking spaces.
Created by Fraser Stephens // 0 threads
RAISED AT PUBLIC MEETING 10-04-2014
The A4143 heading up towards the Hospital is plenty wide enough for a dedicated cycle path on one side or the other (we suggest the west side). This is often a busy and fast road. (Note this this would also solve the safe cycle access to the climbing wall and softplay.)
Created by Dawes Jaguar // 1 thread
A cycle path built here would complete this proposed route segment: http://www.pushbikes.org.uk/location/bournville-3